A girl sent me an interesting testimony / experience with Salvia divinorum.
She had out-of-body experiences and found herself in other dimensions. She also went through a kind of tunnel, which is a typical experience during clinical death or for people who are able to travel astrally.
Due to the extensive nature of the entire testimony, I have highlighted in bold the most important parts for people who do not have much time.
The text in italics / slanted font is the text I wrote as part of our conversation.
More in the text below:
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I'm contributing with my experience of how sage enriched me. We ordered 40x sage (divine) extract. I was a little worried if it would be too much for me since it was my first time with a psychedelic plant, and I was afraid if I would remember anything from it at all.
The first experience was from Sunday (it happened around 9 or 9:30 PM). I inhaled the "almighty" and held my breath for as long as possible. I remember fear was the last emotion I registered. I felt a strong drowsiness, as if I was being put to sleep in an operating room. It was just a moment and I was no longer there. The image in front of me began to recede very quickly and I was flying backward upwards through a tunnel, deeper and deeper, and I saw reality moving further and further away from me. I heard a female voice speaking unknown words, but they seemed so familiar to me at that moment. I found myself in a place where worlds began to multiply on the right side – they had the shape of pyramids that were laid vertically, and each one of them had a zipper on the edge, and they were connected in this way. It kept multiplying. I found myself in one of these worlds, and not just found myself – I became that reality. I had my own world, I was part of the "zipper dimension." I was just consciousness placed in the middle of something enormous and I couldn't move at all. I didn't like being there, I wanted to move, I was lying on the edge of a pyramid and saw many of these worlds in front of me, all connected by a zipper. I looked down and saw that my right side was my "self" from the reality I was in before taking the sage, and my left side was lying somewhere on the ground and was that zipper. I wasn't alone there, on each pyramid there was some consciousness that was suffering, and there were many of them, each one even saying something because it was destined to stay in one place and never anywhere else, to just be there for all eternity, just to be, nothing more. And I had the same fate there. Being there was suffering and complete futility, everything was futile, there was nothing but consciousness and that world where you couldn't move forward. I felt no fear, only discomfort that I couldn't move forward, and the whole time I was there, I was haunted by the whisper of a woman's voice, "what are you doing?" – as if something was asking me why I got high and ended up there. I wanted to get somewhere else because I felt like I had been in that one place for an eternity. Nothing was perhaps even more eternal than the stay there itself. I don't remember managing to move, but I know I tried quite violently to "zip" to the left side. The image flipped, and I was outside, my right side was outside, and my left was buried in the ground, which was the zipper. My boyfriend and his old grandmother were there, or rather just her consciousness, since I didn't see her there, who condemned him for us being able to afford this… the image flipped again, but I was still in that world, where I was lying on my left side, and there was my boyfriend and two women who condemned him for getting me high, and he said he was trying to help me get up because I had fallen. It was quite unpleasant for me, and I couldn't intervene in any way because I knew he meant well, and everyone was just condemning him. I didn't perceive him as a boyfriend at all then, just as a kind being trying to help me. The whole time I was gone, I only had control over the left side – everything happened on the left side (I was looking at the left side the whole time, and all those dimensions were happening there) and when I looked to the right, it was reality, where I was (me?) But what was I? And what does all this mean? I saw a being next to me that was warming me, but I no longer knew who it was. When he laughed, I felt for a moment that I was back, but it was very brief. Everything seemed to have lost its meaning. Everything just was, existed, and it was pointless, nothing more. The whole reality was pointless, I completely lost myself in that vastness, I became a different reality, but it was already bringing me back to where I came from (?). The return was very difficult. I couldn't process that it had thrown me here, how is that possible? I don't belong here, I lived an eternity somewhere from which there was no escape. Physically I was here, but my senses still weren't. I couldn't remember anything at all, who I was, who the person in front of me was (my boyfriend), and where I was, and no memories of this reality. I saw the physical world but also the place I came from, it kept pulling me back there, it didn't want to let me go, but the visions were getting further and further away and I was returning. I felt strange in my physical body and I had the feeling that what I was living now was a great nothing. I was part of something so huge… and that everything would end as quickly as it came from where I came from, even if it seemed like I had been here for an eternity. Damn it, what is reality now? How many realities exist? Am I even real, is this normal, and does all this make sense? How is it possible that I lived somewhere for a whole decade and suddenly I'm here, in a new life? I was speechless and stared blankly, thinking about life. I had never thought so much as I did then about what existence actually is – I no longer had fear, I had seen something that was very difficult to describe (it was even harder to return from there). The return was so difficult that I vomited twice 5 minutes after the experience… For about 20 minutes, I felt like a different ME. I even felt that this state, this perception, had remained with me, that I would stay so out of it. No, I don't consider it a bad trip, because I wasn't afraid throughout the experience, only confused. It was very interesting for me and it made me think very deeply about life. I think everything I had to learn is just to "exist" and that I shouldn't resist what is, whatever it may be. I think I'm no longer afraid of death, because I know I'll find myself in that place or a similar one, and then it will throw me into a different reality than when it brought me back – only with the difference that I'll start a completely new life.
Monday was free, my friend decided to try it on Tuesday morning, as soon as we got up – at five in the morning… so we went for it… It was interesting to watch what he was doing… and when he came back, he said he didn't remember anything… but then, after about 10 minutes, he vaguely remembered something, that suddenly it was as if he ceased to exist, and then there was light in the midst of darkness, and he enjoyed that he existed… we waited for some time and it was my turn.
I held my breath for a shorter time this time. I didn't fly through any tunnel, I just thought to myself – here we go again. I found myself in the same place where the last trip ended (I would say it started where the previous experience ended). I was thrown out of this reality and I didn't understand how it was possible that I had lived one life here and suddenly it was all gone and whether the whole life I had lived was real at all. I'm here again where I was but it was better than on the first trip. In that space, I again heard a female voice (I assume it was the sage itself) which spoke not quite a whisper but not quite loudly, rather something in between. The language she spoke was foreign but comparable to Hungarian. I can't precisely define what the female voice was saying in that foreign language, but it was something like "what happened?" As if those words were a reflection of what I was thinking at that moment – because I didn't understand why I was thrown out of reality and I was there. It was the space where I was last, only there were no zippers there anymore. Everything "there" (it's very difficult to describe what it actually was and what it looked like there) was connected in a triangular way that progressed away from me up to somewhere far above (I think those triangles together formed a kind of spiral) . These triangles had obtuse angles and each angle was a "fall into another reality". I don't know if every one, but I was in one of those angles when I was shot out of reality and again there was the space I saw on the left, on the right I saw my boyfriend (at that time I perceived him only as a being, because everything lost its name and I completely lost my memory of this reality – where I lived, who I am and also who he is). The whole space was like a fractal of obtuse triangles because the dimensions were connected in this way and no other. I don't remember anything else from that world, but I do remember one more very important thing – my SELF, while I was away. It was confirmed to me again that consciousness does not die and it is the most essential thing that exists, nothing is more essential. I was a point of consciousness in the middle of something so huge that it cannot be explained, only experienced, only then can it be understood. I remember that when it threw me back, I was not yet conscious here – still just a body – the strange thing about all this was that I understood my essence when it was returning me to this world, even though I was still elsewhere. I perceived my true self. I had no character traits, no opinions, I had nothing at all. I only perceived that I was consciousness. I am an observer. It was returning me to reality more and more, but I didn't want to return yet, because I felt who I really am and it was something incredible… I wanted to go back there even though I was essentially still there with my consciousness, but I no longer saw that world but the one I had before my eyes (? I saw this world as if with a third eye, not physically, I still felt that my soul was wandering and not yet back in my body. I perceived the return as having gotten back into my body but through my physical eyes.) In my life, I have never felt greater calm and peace than during the time when I was slowly returning to my body… It was amazing, perfect. I still perceive how this experience changed my view of my true SELF. Sage managed to open a gateway to the world for me, which I so craved… Maybe that's why it brought me back to the same dimension, because it wanted me to understand it more, since the first experience left me with questions like – what is reality? Who am I? Is all this real? While the second experience has richly endowed me with an understanding of who I really am. I am immensely grateful for what it has shown me.
Wednesday was a break, and today I decided to say goodbye to the sage, as there was still some left.
My third and final experience was somewhat different, but it was still connected to previous experiences, especially the first one.
Holding my breath, I waited on the bed. Within 15 seconds, I was ejected from my physical body backward, and I was offered a view of the entire room. The image I saw in front of me tilted slightly to the right (I saw it as if a bit askew), and the whole thing was like watching a movie on a screen. I felt that I was consciousness, floating, and had no physical sensation. Again, everything lost its name, and I again didn't understand why I was here, that the whole life I had lived wasn't real; the reality was where I was now. I was given an amazing view of this "fractal dimension." What I saw is again something very difficult to describe, so I will rather compare it to make it somewhat imaginable – I saw the reality from which I was ejected as if I were looking at a screen where what was happening was just a movie. The room where my physical body lay was connected by an arched shape, and at the points where the room had corners, the arch joined into a pointed shape. This was one reality. The left corner of the room connected with another reality by this arched shape that joined into a pointed shape – and in this arched way, all realities were connected, and there were many of them. These realities (or rather the events in the realities) were not visible because the whole room was as if bent into an arch (creating a wall that prevented me from seeing the action in another reality). I was given a view only of it, but I saw all the connections with other realities – those arches that always joined to a point, and there were so many of them that I don't even know if they had any end at all. Further to my left was empty space and darkness. When I wanted to get somewhere, I don't remember where, but I assume I wanted to glimpse another act, another reality, some force didn't want to let me go (this force was in all three experiences, it reminds me of when I was a child and my mom or sister forbade me something, so I couldn't do it). I know there were more attempts, and something always held me back. All the time I was floating in one place, observing. Then I gradually began to realize that I had consumed sage (what? Did sage cause all this? These were the questions that came to my mind because it sounded incredible) . I thought about my boyfriend and tried to remember who he was (because I had lost all memory, only being, i.e., consciousness, played the main role and nothing else) and in that way, I was returning to reality, reminding myself – this state is from sage, my boyfriend is proof that everything I experienced there truly exists, it wasn't fiction (I focused on what I had experienced last, i.e., my last memories) and I was reminding myself of that. I wasn't reminding myself because I wanted to return, because I wanted to stay longer. I was reminding myself to convince myself that I had experienced real life (it seems to me that all this was reassurance for my EGO because I was about to return any moment, my EGO was communicating with me because it wanted me back). I got into the image I was observing. I felt that I had hands, that I had legs, that I had a body. I was back but I still couldn't recall any memory of who I was in this world. Except that those reminders from my EGO were constantly running in my head. I was sorry that it was over, I wanted to stay there, at least for a little while longer.
I think all three experiences had something to them, but the second one enriched me the most – when I felt my true self.
Wow. These were the most interesting experiences I've ever had. I won't go back to sage; it gave me what I needed to learn and see. Most importantly, it gave me courage and freed me from the fear of death (which was huge, by the way) and the fear of astral travel (which I will try).
It is a plant that has a lot to offer, and I recommend it to anyone who believes there is something more and who wants to wake up through psychedelics – they really have nothing to lose. I don't regret investing in it because it paid off. Another thing I can confirm is what I read – that sage is a woman (that would explain the female voice in my experiences) and it has another interesting feature – the second trip starts where the previous one ended. I perceived this when my second experience was taking place – exactly where it ended, another one began. My third one was somewhat different but it followed the previous ones, especially in terms of feelings – why was I thrown out of reality? Is what I experienced real? … Now my mission is to wake up with a clear head, i.e., through meditation. I am happy and feel liberated – this is what I was meant to see. And nothing is more important than being itself.
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If you'll allow me, I have some questions for you:
– were you lying down (in bed) during each experience?
– Do you think you had an out-of-body experience in any case?
– In what form did you take the sage? By smoking it or dissolved in some extract?
– Why were you vomiting? Was it due to the effects of sage on the body, or were there psychological reasons, such as feeling disgusted with this world?
Thanks,
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Well, I wasn't lying down for the first and second experience, but I was for the third.
Yes, I think I had an out-of-body experience. It was quite intense to feel my soul traveling. I had no physical sensation and I just felt that I was floating, that I was consciousness and nothing else. I don't remember at all what my body was doing while I was gone. It just completely blew me away into another dimension…
I took it by smoking it through a bong – 15 seconds was always enough and I was gone.
I vomited because I had a "heavy" dinner before that and a lot of it, so eating before that wasn't exactly a good idea.
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Thank you for your reply.
I think it's easier to leave the body when a person is lying down – it can be a stronger experience when a person is under the influence of sage.
It is also much safer because there is no risk that a person under the influence of substance-induced psychosis might do something dangerous when moving around.
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But in any case, it was a very interesting experience, but I wouldn't do it again, it gave me what it was supposed to give me.
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And I also thought of adding something to your question about whether I was sure it was an out-of-body experience. All experiences are filmed (except for the third one because the battery died at 20 seconds) and when I watched it, I don't remember doing anything like that at all, and when my boyfriend told me to lean back and close my eyes… I didn't hear him at all, I didn't see him, I didn't see anything from this reality (only in the experience was there such a moment for a while)… I don't remember at all what was happening to my body, so it was quite strange to observe what I was doing while I was gone.
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I would also be interested to know if you moved your body in that state, or if you were motionless. (I would be interested to know how it was when you were lying down, and when you were sitting – it could have been different there).
So, how was it with those body movements?
Because if the body doesn't move, it's safer and there are better conditions for leaving the body.
I assume that your friend was watching you, just like the camera recorded it, so he saw what was happening.
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So, I didn't know about myself for about 15 seconds each time, so I didn't even notice it when I exhaled the smoke. I was looking around everywhere and moving as if I was seeing this world for the first time or something. I perceive it as, while I was gone, my ego stayed here and didn't understand what was happening, hence those movements and glances. But I didn't scream or say anything. In the second experience, I was already talking 😀 but it was quite funny. I looked to one side and "what?" Then I looked to the other side and again "what?" My boyfriend and I laughed at this when I came back, and even when I listen to it, I laugh at it, the tone I used… And in the third experience, I was lying down, but as soon as I exhaled, I started looking around, so it wasn't without movement.
So, there were no body movements at first, but when I was gone, there were… I didn't even know I had a body; there were moments when I remembered that I did and from which reality I was from, but it lasted such a short time that I immediately forgot about it…
I don't know how best to describe it, but I didn't have any physical sensation… in the first experience, right from the start, there was a shot, a kick out of the body, and I felt like I was flying… in the second experience, I perceived a little better that I was just a soul or consciousness… the feeling of floating and returning to the body was conscious, and in each experience, I had that strange feeling when I returned that "I have a body now," it was strange to feel my hands, feet, my whole body as if I had just been born…
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Thanks,
So this is interesting and new information, that it is possible to leave the body even when the physical body is moving.