{"id":3397,"date":"2019-02-16T00:11:57","date_gmt":"2019-02-15T23:11:57","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/filozofia.nett.to\/krestanstvo\/the-nicene-creed-controversy-part-2\/"},"modified":"2026-02-12T21:19:55","modified_gmt":"2026-02-12T20:19:55","slug":"the-nicene-creed-controversy-part-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/filozofia.nett.to\/krestanstvo\/en\/the-nicene-creed-controversy-part-2\/","title":{"rendered":"The Nicene Creed, Controversy, Part 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"ez-toc-container\" class=\"ez-toc-v2_0_83 counter-hierarchy ez-toc-counter ez-toc-grey ez-toc-container-direction\">\n<div class=\"ez-toc-title-container\">\n<p class=\"ez-toc-title\" style=\"cursor:inherit\">Table of Contents<\/p>\n<span class=\"ez-toc-title-toggle\"><a href=\"#\" class=\"ez-toc-pull-right ez-toc-btn ez-toc-btn-xs ez-toc-btn-default ez-toc-toggle\" aria-label=\"Toggle Table of Content\"><span class=\"ez-toc-js-icon-con\"><span class=\"\"><span class=\"eztoc-hide\" style=\"display:none;\">Toggle<\/span><span class=\"ez-toc-icon-toggle-span\"><svg style=\"fill: #999;color:#999\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" class=\"list-377408\" width=\"20px\" height=\"20px\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M6 6H4v2h2V6zm14 0H8v2h12V6zM4 11h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2zM4 16h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2z\" fill=\"currentColor\"><\/path><\/svg><svg style=\"fill: #999;color:#999\" class=\"arrow-unsorted-368013\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"10px\" height=\"10px\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" version=\"1.2\" baseProfile=\"tiny\"><path d=\"M18.2 9.3l-6.2-6.3-6.2 6.3c-.2.2-.3.4-.3.7s.1.5.3.7c.2.2.4.3.7.3h11c.3 0 .5-.1.7-.3.2-.2.3-.5.3-.7s-.1-.5-.3-.7zM5.8 14.7l6.2 6.3 6.2-6.3c.2-.2.3-.5.3-.7s-.1-.5-.3-.7c-.2-.2-.4-.3-.7-.3h-11c-.3 0-.5.1-.7.3-.2.2-.3.5-.3.7s.1.5.3.7z\"\/><\/svg><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<nav><ul class='ez-toc-list ez-toc-list-level-1 ' ><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-1\" href=\"https:\/\/filozofia.nett.to\/krestanstvo\/en\/the-nicene-creed-controversy-part-2\/#Nicene_Creed_325_AD\" >Nicene Creed, 325 AD<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-2\" href=\"https:\/\/filozofia.nett.to\/krestanstvo\/en\/the-nicene-creed-controversy-part-2\/#Dissecting_parts_of_the_Nicene_Creed\" >Dissecting parts of the Nicene Creed<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-3\" href=\"https:\/\/filozofia.nett.to\/krestanstvo\/en\/the-nicene-creed-controversy-part-2\/#Huge_controversy_Athanasiuss_Athanasiuss_Creed_Quicunque\" >Huge controversy: Athanasius&#39;s \/ Athanasius&#39;s Creed, Quicunque<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-4\" href=\"https:\/\/filozofia.nett.to\/krestanstvo\/en\/the-nicene-creed-controversy-part-2\/#Fourth_Lateran_Council_1215\" >Fourth Lateran Council, 1215<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-5\" href=\"https:\/\/filozofia.nett.to\/krestanstvo\/en\/the-nicene-creed-controversy-part-2\/#The_most_heretical_book_is_the_Bible\" >The most heretical book is the Bible.<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-6\" href=\"https:\/\/filozofia.nett.to\/krestanstvo\/en\/the-nicene-creed-controversy-part-2\/#References_less_important_matters_the_text_of_the_original_Nicene_Creed_in_Latin_and_Greek\" >References: less important matters, the text of the original Nicene Creed in Latin and Greek<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/nav><\/div>\n<p>I managed to find other discrepancies in the Nicene Creed, in the Nicene Confession of Faith.<br \/> Only the liturgical version of the Nicene Creed in Latin and Greek is published on Wikipedia. But where is the original? It is hard to find, but I managed to find something, some other versions.<br \/> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It is scientifically proven that the Bible has been manipulated and passages in favor of the Divine Trinity have been added to the younger Greek versions of the Bible, <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Johannine_Comma\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">more here<\/a> . How much sooner and how much easier is it to imagine that the passages of the Nicene Creed were similarly manipulated!!! So where is the original??!?!<br \/> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Friends, also realize that nowhere in the Nicene Creed is it said that it is a belief in one God! Really nowhere! The distinction between uppercase and lowercase letters, lowercase &quot;b&quot; uppercase &quot;B&quot;, God, god, did not exist then.<br \/><br \/><h2><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Nicene_Creed_325_AD\"><\/span> <strong>Nicene Creed, 325 AD<\/strong><span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2> <span style=\"color: #993300;\">We believe in one God, the almighty Father, creator of all things visible and invisible.<\/span><br \/> <span style=\"color: #993300;\">And in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father, <u>that is, of the substance of the Father<\/u> , God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, <em><strong>begotten, not made, of one substance with the Father<\/strong><\/em> , &#8230;. ( <a style=\"color: #993300;\" href=\"https:\/\/sk.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Nicejsk%C3%A9_vyznanie_viery\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">source here<\/a> )<\/span><br \/><br \/> In the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed of 381, it was added: &quot; <em>the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all ages&quot;.<\/em><br \/> The correct translation is &quot;born before all generations&quot;; the incorrect translation slightly increases the cult of Christ. Source <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Nicene_Creed#Comparison_between_creed_of_325_and_creed_of_381\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">here<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/sk.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Nicejsko-carihradsk%C3%A9_vyznanie_viery\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">here<\/a><br \/><br \/><h2><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Dissecting_parts_of_the_Nicene_Creed\"><\/span> <strong>Dissecting parts of the Nicene Creed<\/strong><span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2> The part <u>&quot;<\/u> <u>that is, from the essence of the Father<\/u> &quot; This part is supplemented in the Slovak version, in the Slovak translation, but it is not found in the Latin version. This is a targeted manipulation and targeted misleading.<br \/><br \/> This part of the confession is particularly noteworthy. We will take a closer look at its incorrect translation:<br \/> &quot; <em><strong>begotten, not made, one in essence with the Father&quot;<\/strong><\/em><br \/> Latin version: <em><strong>&quot;natum, non factum; ejusdemque substantiae qua Pater est&quot;<\/strong><\/em><br \/> Greek version: \u03b3\u03b5\u03bd\u03bd\u03b7\u03b8\u1f73\u03bd\u03c4\u03b1 \u03bf\u1f50 \u03c0\u03bf\u03b9\u03b7\u03b8\u1f73\u03bd\u03c4\u03b1, \u1f41\u03bc\u03bf\u03bf\u1f7b\u03c3\u03b9\u03bf\u03bd \u03c4\u1ff7 \u03a0\u03b1\u03c4\u03c1\u1f77,<br \/> begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father, through whom all things were made.<br \/><br \/> The correct translation from Latin to Slovak is: <strong>&quot;<\/strong> <strong>born, not created from the same substance as the Father&quot;.<\/strong><br \/> <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/factum#Latin\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/factum#Latin<\/a><br \/> <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/facti#Latin\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/facti#Latin<\/a><br \/> <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/factus#Latin\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/factus#Latin<\/a><br \/> <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/natum\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/natum<\/a><br \/> <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/natus#Latin\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/natus#Latin<\/a><br \/><br \/> It is difficult to translate from Greek, the words are hard to find in any dictionaries. However, it would be fascinating to consult with a native Greek who is an expert in ancient Greek.<br \/> Church people may argue that there are multiple translations and that even the church translation cannot be considered incorrect. Commas were probably not used at that time; the church later adapted the commas as it suited them. However, the use of commas after two verbs was extremely atypical for the literature of that time, so my translation can be perceived as more correct. Changing the commas will change the meaning of the sentence in a completely opposite way.<br \/><br \/><h2><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Huge_controversy_Athanasiuss_Athanasiuss_Creed_Quicunque\"><\/span> <strong>Huge controversy: Athanasius&#39;s \/ Athanasius&#39;s Creed, Quicunque<\/strong><span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2> <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Athanasian_Creed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Athanasian_Creed<\/a><br \/> <a href=\"https:\/\/cs.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Vyzn%C3%A1n%C3%AD_Quicumque\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Quicumque_Creed<\/a><br \/> To cover up the affair surrounding the Divine Trinity, the Church subsequently invented a story about the Athanasian Creed, which confirms the current modern church teaching on the Divine Trinity. It later turned out that Saint Athanasius, who lived in the fourth century, is not the author of this creed, which the church had to officially and humiliatingly admit. Wikipedia states that the oldest manuscripts of this creed are from the end of the 8th century, which I do not believe \u2013 it was most likely just some very short fragments \/ a fragment of it \u2013 perhaps the first three introductory sentences. The teaching of the Divine Trinity as we know it today was not known until the 13th century at the Fourth Lateran Council. The first complete manuscript of the Pseudo-Athanasian Creed will certainly not be older than the 13th century!!<br \/><br \/><h2><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Fourth_Lateran_Council_1215\"><\/span> <strong>Fourth Lateran Council, 1215<\/strong><span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2> <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Trinity\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Trinity<\/a><br \/> According to an article on the English Wikipedia, the first written record that would even slightly resemble the current teaching of the Divine Trinity dates back to the 13th century!!!<br \/> <em>The <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Fourth_Lateran_Council\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Fourth Lateran Council<\/a> (1215) adds: &quot;In God there is only a Trinity since each of the three persons is that reality \u2014 that is to say substance, essence or divine nature. This reality neither begets nor is begotten nor proceeds; the Father begets, the Son is begotten and the holy Spirit proceeds. Thus there is a distinction of persons but a unity of nature. Although therefore the Father is one person, the Son another person and the holy Spirit another person, they are not different realities, but rather that which is the Father is the Son and the holy Spirit, altogether the same; thus according to the orthodox and catholic faith they are believed to be consubstantial.&quot; <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Trinity#cite_note-74\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">[73]<\/a><\/em><br \/><br \/><h2><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"The_most_heretical_book_is_the_Bible\"><\/span> <strong>The most heretical book is the Bible.<\/strong><span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2> The author of the Bible, the Apostle Paul, should be burned for heresy and apostasy.<br \/> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.svatepismo.sk\/suradnice.php?suradnice=1Tim%202,5&#038;nv=off\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">First Letter to Timothy &#8211; Chapter 2<\/a><br \/> 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,<br \/><br \/><h2><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"References_less_important_matters_the_text_of_the_original_Nicene_Creed_in_Latin_and_Greek\"><\/span> <strong>References: less important matters, the text of the original Nicene Creed in Latin and Greek<\/strong><span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2> <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/%CE%BF%E1%BD%90%CF%83%CE%AF%CE%B1#Ancient_Greek\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/%CE%BF%E1%BD%90%CF%83%CE%AF%CE%B1#Ancient_Greek<\/a><br \/> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ccel.org\/ccel\/schaff\/creeds1.iv.iii.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/www.ccel.org\/ccel\/schaff\/creeds1.iv.iii.html<\/a><br \/> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.newworldencyclopedia.org\/entry\/Nicene_Creed\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">http:\/\/www.newworldencyclopedia.org\/entry\/Nicene_Creed<\/a><br \/> <a href=\"https:\/\/earlychurchtexts.com\/public\/nicene_creed.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/earlychurchtexts.com\/public\/nicene_creed.htm<\/a><br \/> <a href=\"https:\/\/el.wikisource.org\/wiki\/%CE%A3%CF%8D%CE%BC%CE%B2%CE%BF%CE%BB%CE%BF_%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%82_%CE%A0%CE%AF%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B5%CF%89%CF%82\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/el.wikisource.org\/wiki\/%CE%A3%CF%8D%CE%BC%CE%B2%CE%BF%CE%BB%CE%BF_%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%82_%CE%A0%CE%AF%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B5%CF%89%CF%82<\/a><br \/> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tititudorancea.com\/z\/nicene_creed_61.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/www.tititudorancea.com\/z\/nicene_creed_61.htm<\/a><br \/> <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Nicene_Creed#Latin_liturgical_version\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Nicene_Creed#Latin_liturgical_version<\/a><br \/><br \/><\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Nowhere in the Nicene Creed does it say that it is a belief in one God! Really nowhere! Begotten, not made, of one substance with the Father. 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