{"id":2137,"date":"2017-04-20T17:26:51","date_gmt":"2017-04-20T15:26:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/filozofia.nett.to\/krestanstvo\/2017\/04\/20\/diskusia-dialog-s-nabozenskymi-veriacimi\/"},"modified":"2026-02-01T14:20:41","modified_gmt":"2026-02-01T13:20:41","slug":"diskusia-dialog-s-nabozenskymi-veriacimi","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/filozofia.nett.to\/krestanstvo\/sk\/diskusia-dialog-s-nabozenskymi-veriacimi\/","title":{"rendered":"Diskusia \/ dial\u00f3g s n\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00fdmi veriacimi"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Diskusia s ortodoxn\u00fdmi katol\u00edckymi veriacimi a k\u0148azmi je ve\u013emi komplikovan\u00e1 a \u0165a\u017ek\u00e1. N\u00e1bo\u017eensky \u010dlovek je ve\u013emi silne zabet\u00f3novan\u00fd vo svojom vlastnom bunkri, tohto svojho bunkru sa ve\u013emi silne dr\u017e\u00ed a nechce \u00eds\u0165 z neho von. Nechce by\u0165 konfrontovan\u00fd s pravdou. Chce by\u0165 \u010do najviac izolovan\u00fd od pravdy.\n<br \/>V n\u00e1bo\u017eenskom prostred\u00ed medzi n\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00fdmi \u013eu\u010fmi va\u0161e argumenty, \u017ee u\u010denie katol\u00edckej cirkvi o sexualite a antikoncepcii je poriadne bl\u00e1zniv\u00e1 vec v\u00f4bec neobstoja. N\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00fd \u010dlovek je ve\u013emi silne zadebnen\u00fd a a pri diskusii na miesto toho aby h\u013eadal chybu v sebe ak\u00fdm hl\u00fapostiam to naletel, bude h\u013eada\u0165 chybu vo v\u00e1s \u2013 v n\u00e1bo\u017eenskom prostred\u00ed medzi n\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00fdmi \u013eu\u010fmi je pova\u017eovan\u00fd za nenorm\u00e1lneho a divn\u00e9ho ten, kto si dovol\u00ed kritizova\u0165 katol\u00edcke sra\u010dky o sexualite. Medzi katol\u00edkmi je purit\u00e1nske katol\u00edcke u\u010denie o sexualite a a antikoncepcii ako nie \u010do \u00faplne norm\u00e1lne, ako nie\u010do \u00faplne prirodzen\u00e9 a samozrejm\u00e9 a nikto nem\u00e1 najmen\u0161ie pochybnosti, \u017ee by bolo v tejto veci nie\u010do treba reformova\u0165. N\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00fdmi veriacimi budete ozna\u010den\u00ed vy za toho v ktorom je chyba, vy budete v ich o\u010diach pova\u017eovan\u00fd za chor\u00e9ho zaostal\u00e9ho chud\u00e1\u010dika, ktor\u00e9mu treba pom\u00f4c\u0165, ktor\u00fd chud\u00e1\u010dik <strong>nech\u00e1pe<\/strong> tie \u201e\u00fa\u017easn\u00e9\u201c tajomstv\u00e1 viery.\n<br \/>Mnoh\u00fdch katol\u00edkov dostupnos\u0165 antikoncepcie a\u017e tak hnev\u00e1, \u017ee by najrad\u0161ej zak\u00e1zali pred\u00e1va\u0165 hormon\u00e1lnu antikoncepciu v lek\u00e1rniach a najrad\u0161ej zak\u00e1zali pred\u00e1va\u0165 prezervat\u00edvy v obchodoch. Ak by dostali pravovern\u00ed katol\u00edci na Slovensku v\u0161etku politick\u00fa moc, tak to by ste sa mali na \u010do te\u0161i\u0165.\n<br \/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;V n\u00e1bo\u017eenskom prostred\u00ed je pova\u017eovan\u00fd za bl\u00e1zna ten, kto si dovol\u00ed spochybni\u0165 nomyln\u00e9 u\u010denie katol\u00edckej cirkvi o sexualite. A to naozaj nesrandujem a nepreh\u00e1\u0148am. N\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00e9 prostredie je ako \u017ei\u0165 na inej plan\u00e9te.\n<br \/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;A pr\u00e1ve preto medzi ak\u00e1ko\u013evek diskusia v s\u00fakrom\u00ed v prostred\u00ed takto pravovern\u00fdch n\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00fdch veriacich absol\u00fatne nem\u00e1 \u017eiaden zmysel. Naopak ve\u013ek\u00fd zmysel m\u00e1 verejn\u00e1 diskusia s nez\u00e1visl\u00fdm moder\u00e1torom na ktor\u00fa by som bol pozvan\u00fd ja a nejak\u00fd katol\u00edcky k\u0148az a publikum by bolo preva\u017ene zlo\u017een\u00e9 s nen\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00fdch \u013eud\u00ed. V takejto diskusii by p\u00e1n far\u00e1rko bol prin\u00faten\u00fd vyliez\u0165 von so svojho silne zadebnen\u00e9ho bet\u00f3nov\u00e9ho bunkra a pred \u0161irokou verejnos\u0165ou by mu argumenty typu ak\u00e1 je \u00fa\u017easn\u00e1 antikoncepcia a ak\u00fd som ja chud\u00e1\u010dik preto\u017ee nie som rovnako fanatick\u00fdm kres\u0165anom ako je on a nech\u00e1pem \u00fa\u017easn\u00fdm tajomstv\u00e1m viery, boli zbyto\u010dn\u00e9 a boli by publiku na posmech. V s\u00fakromnej a verejnej diskusii s katol\u00edckym k\u0148azom alebo veriacim je radik\u00e1lny rozdiel a ma\u0165 silne zadebnen\u00fd bet\u00f3nov\u00fd bunker by mu bolo zbyto\u010dn\u00e9.\n<br \/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Pre doplnenie a vysvetlenie ten zadebnen\u00fd bunker by sme mohli tie\u017e prirovna\u0165 aj k silne uzavret\u00e9mu n\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00e9mu prostrediu, \u017eivot akomsi vlastnom n\u00e1bo\u017eenskom svete svete, v uzavretom vaj\u00ed\u010dku, \u017ei\u0165 v akomsi svete odtrhnutom od reality. Z poh\u013eadu \u0161amanizmu ide o egregor so siln\u00fdmi ochrann\u00fdmi mechanizmami.<br \/><br \/><strong>A e\u0161te sa predsa len vr\u00e1time znovu k t\u00e9me cirkev a sexualita<\/strong>\n<br \/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Ako len hlboko mus\u00ed klesn\u00fa\u0165 a pon\u00ed\u017ei\u0165 sa n\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00fd veriaci, ke\u010f si d\u00e1 cirkvou radi\u0165 e\u0161te aj to ako m\u00e1 sexova\u0165 (prep\u00e1\u010dte zo hovorov\u00fd v\u00fdraz ale je to v\u00fdsti\u017en\u00e9). A ak veriaci poru\u0161\u00ed u\u010denie cirkvi o sexualite a antikoncepcii, tak sa mus\u00ed z toho poni\u017euj\u00faco pred p\u00e1nom far\u00e1rom vyspoveda\u0165.\n<br \/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Je ve\u013emi smutn\u00e9, \u017ee aj nen\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00e9 p\u00e1ry si \u010dasto d\u00e1vaj\u00fa urobi\u0165 cirkevn\u00ed sob\u00e1\u0161, preto\u017ee je tak\u00e1 trad\u00edcia a rodi\u010da na to tla\u010dia. Cirkevn\u00e1 svadba ale nie je mo\u017en\u00e9 urobi\u0165 bez predman\u017eelskej cirkevnej pr\u00edpravy, \u010do s\u00fa s\u00fakromn\u00e9 predn\u00e1\u0161ky k\u0148aza na fare pre partnersk\u00fa dvojicu. Je ve\u013emi smutn\u00e9, \u017ee sa \u013eudia takto daj\u00fa pon\u00ed\u017ei\u0165 a nechaj\u00fa si p\u00e1nom far\u00e1rom vyklada\u0165 ako maj\u00fa sexova\u0165 \u010do je v\u0161etko len o z\u00e1kazoch. Je smutn\u00e9, \u017ee e\u0161te som nepo\u010dul \u017eiadnom pr\u00edpade, \u017ee by dan\u00fd p\u00e1r poslal do riti far\u00e1ra sa predn\u00e1\u0161anie tak\u00fdchto absurdn\u00fdch cirkevn\u00fdch debilit\u00e1ch o sexualite, ktor\u00e9 s\u00fa zrel\u00e9 asi tak na psychiatriu.<br \/><br \/><strong>Diskusia s n\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00fdmi \u013eu\u010fmi<\/strong>\n<br \/>Pri diskusii s n\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00fdmi \u013eu\u010fmi na t\u00e9mu cirkev a kres\u0165anstvo, napriek tomu \u017ee sa sna\u017e\u00edm k nim pristupova\u0165 s maxim\u00e1lnou l\u00e1skou a \u00factou, m\u00e1m sk\u00fasenosti, \u017ee veriaci za\u010dn\u00fa by\u0165 nerv\u00f3zni a agres\u00edvni. Ak ste kritikom cirkvi alebo n\u00e1bo\u017eenstva, ste automaticky ich o\u010diach nepriate\u013e. Maj\u00fa ve\u013ek\u00fd probl\u00e9m pochopi\u0165, \u017ee \u010dlovek im chce dobre, \u017ee \u010dlovek ich chce vyslobodi\u0165 zo zajatia n\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00fdch v\u00fdkalov. Na miesto seri\u00f3znej diskusie si veriaci bude len zapch\u00e1va\u0165 u\u0161i pred kritikou n\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00fdch dogiem, nie je sa schopn\u00fd len o tejto t\u00e9me bavi\u0165 a za\u010dnete by\u0165 veriacim obvi\u0148ovan\u00fd a bude na v\u00e1s \u00fato\u010den\u00e9, \u017ee vy ste ten zl\u00fd, vy ste ten \u010dlovek v ktorom je chyba, vy ste ten chud\u00e1\u010dik ktor\u00e9mu je treba pom\u00f4c\u0165 preto\u017ee nem\u00e1 vieru. Je smutn\u00e9, \u017ee na miesto toho, aby sa n\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00fd \u010dlovek pokorne zamyslel nad sebou a porozm\u00fd\u0161\u013eal nad t\u00fdm, ak\u00fdm hl\u00fapym n\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00fdm dogm\u00e1m a v\u00fdkalom naletel, bude on na v\u00e1s otvorene \u00fato\u010di\u0165. Vy chcete n\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00e9mu \u010dloveku pom\u00f4c\u0165, ale on bude na obl\u00e1tku na v\u00e1s \u00fato\u010di\u0165.\n<br \/>\u010castokr\u00e1t po\u010dujem ve\u013emi smie\u0161ny argument od veriacich, \u017ee h\u013ead\u00e1m len chyby na cirkvi a ve\u010f cirkev je predsa dobro (tak\u00fdto argument obstoj\u00ed jedine v prostred\u00ed silne zadebnen\u00fdch a zabet\u00f3novan\u00fdch veriacich, ktor\u00ed si \u017eij\u00fa vo vlastnom svete).\n<br \/>Veriaci nem\u00e1 r\u00e1d ak sa \u201e\u00fato\u010d\u00ed\u201c na jeho n\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00e9 <strong>istoty<\/strong>, a ak\u00fako\u013evek kritiku n\u00e1bo\u017eenstva veriaci pova\u017euje za r\u00fahanie vo\u010di Bohu. Veriaci nen\u00e1vid\u00ed pravdu, m\u00e1 z nej strach a utek\u00e1 pred \u0148ou. Veriaci m\u00e1 ve\u013ek\u00fd probl\u00e9m po\u010du\u0165 <strong>nepr\u00edjemn\u00fa pravdu<\/strong> o n\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00fdch sra\u010dk\u00e1ch v ktor\u00e9 ver\u00ed.\n<br \/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Pravdu o kres\u0165anstve pozn\u00e1 m\u00e1lo \u013eud\u00ed a pr\u00e1ve preto, by mali by\u0165 kres\u0165ania <strong>ve\u013emi v\u010fa\u010dn\u00ed<\/strong> za \u013eud\u00ed, ktor\u00ed im pravdu o kres\u0165anstve povedia. Realita je ale presne opa\u010dn\u00e1. Na miesto ve\u013ekej v\u010faky dostanete od kres\u0165ana len p\u013euvance a kres\u0165an bude na v\u00e1s \u00fato\u010di\u0165.\n<br \/>*******************\n<br \/>S\u00favisiace \u010dl\u00e1nky<br \/><br \/><p><em><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Cirkev a sexualita<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/filozofia.nett.to\/krestanstvo\/sk\/najvaecsia-sialenost-katolickej-cirkvi-za-prerusovanu-suloz-sa-dostanete-do-pekla-vysledok-deti-umierajuce-na-podvyzivu-a-populacna-explozia\">Najv\u00e4\u010d\u0161ia \u0161ialenos\u0165 Katol\u00edckej cirkvi: \u201eza preru\u0161ovan\u00fa s\u00falo\u017e sa dostanete do pekla\u201c!! V\u00fdsledok? Deti umieraj\u00face na podv\u00fd\u017eivu a popula\u010dn\u00e1 expl\u00f3zia<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/filozofia.nett.to\/krestanstvo\/sk\/katolicka-cirkev-ma-o-sexualite-stredoveke-ucenie-v-mnohom-este-prisnejsie-ako-islam\" target=\"_blank\">Katol\u00edcka cirkev m\u00e1 o sexualite stredovek\u00e9 u\u010denie, v mnohom e\u0161te pr\u00edsnej\u0161ie ako islam<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/filozofia.nett.to\/krestanstvo\/sk\/katolicka-cirkev-zakazuje-oralny-sex-a-masturbaciu\" target=\"_blank\">Katol\u00edcka cirkev zakazuje antikoncepciu, or\u00e1lny sex a masturb\u00e1ciu !!!!<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/filozofia.nett.to\/krestanstvo\/sk\/nabozenska-aktivistka-jana-tutkova-propaguje-ucenie-katolickej-cirkvi-o-antikoncepcii-aj-za-cenu-klamstiev-a-podvrhov\" target=\"_blank\">N\u00e1bo\u017eensk\u00e1 aktivistka Jana Tutkov\u00e1 propaguje u\u010denie Katol\u00edckej cirkvi o antikoncepcii aj za cenu klamstiev a podvrhov<\/a><\/p><\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Pravdu o kres\u0165anstve pozn\u00e1 m\u00e1lo \u013eud\u00ed a pr\u00e1ve preto, by mali by\u0165 kres\u0165ania ve\u013emi v\u010fa\u010dn\u00ed za \u013eud\u00ed, ktor\u00ed im pravdu o kres\u0165anstve povedia. Realita je ale presne opa\u010dn\u00e1. Na miesto ve\u013ekej v\u010faky dostanete od kres\u0165ana len p\u013euvance a kres\u0165an bude na v\u00e1s \u00fato\u010di\u0165.","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2137","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-krestanstvo"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/filozofia.nett.to\/krestanstvo\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2137","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/filozofia.nett.to\/krestanstvo\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/filozofia.nett.to\/krestanstvo\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/filozofia.nett.to\/krestanstvo\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/filozofia.nett.to\/krestanstvo\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2137"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/filozofia.nett.to\/krestanstvo\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2137\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/filozofia.nett.to\/krestanstvo\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2137"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/filozofia.nett.to\/krestanstvo\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2137"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/filozofia.nett.to\/krestanstvo\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2137"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}